Oily film after applying car pro reload (2014 Formula)

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I need some help with the 2014 Formula Carpro Reload.

Today was my 1st time using it, topping my 1 week old CQUK.

1. Sprayed
2. Spread
3. Buff off

And i was using my Flex flashlight to inspect, it appears as a oily film all over the area i applied it to. I touched it with my finger and it would smear.

Took me FOREVER to buff that oily residue off, i ended up using Eraser as a aid to remove it.


Is this normal or what did i do wrong??

1 spray per section. (3 Section = Hood)
Straight up.
Color is Orange

Used several towels during application

About 3-4, if i don't hold the flex light to see the paint, that oily film won't be visible.

So if i were to just spread and buff it will look nice, but whenever there is a bright light shining at the section where i applied, u will see these oily residue all over. And if i swipe my finger across it, you can see its trace.

So i used Eraser to help, lightly misting my MF Towel to wipe the applied area, it'd easily remove that oily residue.... so i figure it is some sort of oil?
 

I have never had any problem with Reload. I think it's all in the proper process.

  • Shake well and avoid use in direct sun on hot panels
  • Spray only the amount needed for one section
  • Immediately spread the product out with a short nap Microfiber Towel and immediately buff in and off.
  • IMPORTANT: Use a separate towel (I prefer the Crazy Pile towel) which will stay dry throughout as your final wipe towel. Buff the area once more to be sure no streak remains
  • Move to next section and repeat.


    If you get any "overspray" make sure you buff it as well because if you let it sit to long it will smear on you a little bit.


 
I did it inside my garage... About 1 spray per panel
I was using a Eagle edgeless to spread, and i actually had a Crazy Pile as one of mu buff off. But didn't help much with the "OILY" film / residue i was seeing under the Flex Light....


Since i had to use Eraser to remove the oily stuff, did i remove the freshly applied Reload entirely?
 

I would guess that if your 2 towel buff method was leaving residue that you might need to flip the second towel more often. It should be almost dry as you buff. If it is wett from residue you could just be spreading it around and not removing it.

 
Troy has some great info for you there. I will add - Did you shake it very well? The first batch separated a bit and needs to be shaken well before use but works great once mixed. Its POSSIBLE putting that point light on it is deceiving you before the Reload cures. Give it a day on one of your panels and look again and update us! As for the eraser it may remove some of it. Just depends on how much was already bonded. Once bonded Eraser won't remove Reload.
 
I think i shake it up pretty good.
How long do i have to shake it? I usually shake way more/longer than is needed, i.e. Spray paint....

I had a thought that maybe Reload takes a while to cure.... but i didn't want to chance that and have a hell of a time to remove if i did waited. So for say, after applying and buffed off. How long should i wait for it to cure before i point light at it to double check?


PS: Will diluting help?
Car and color is this

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Ivan/All,
This thread I think was also posted over at AutoGeek, and if I can find the post there I'll probably respond in kind there also at some point.

This post might be slightly lengthy, but please bear with me.

To begin and as a prelogue, and have just bought and recieved two 500ml bottles of the new v2014 Formula of Reload just last week from AutoGeek, I was a little bit concerned about this issue you are having and praying to myself that this wasn't some new common issue with the new Reload Formula.

To note also, I do have about 2/3rds of a bottle of the older 2013 Reload Formula, have used it over CQuartz UK on both Chrome Wheels, and my Tahoe's White Paint, no issues with the older version at all, worked perfectly.

To further elaborate, and about my personal concerns, I've been detailing vehicles as a hobbyist for close to 40 years, and could also probably be considered a semi-pro for a good period of time because I once used to be paid to do people's vehicles, mostly classics and expensive American vehicles.

Wouldn't be the first time in my life that I had bought bum products not properly performing to their said claims, as on a few occasions back in the 80's and 90's I dealt with a small wax factory in Chicago called "Nu Look". Frank D'Amato the owner would give me a pint, or quart of new-fangled cutting edge detailing product he made, love it, go back and buy a gallon or more, then find issues, such as product not properly coming off, or vinyl-rubber dressings being as thin and as effective as plain water, etc.

So, I conducted myself a little "Reload 2014" test on my Kia just earlier this morning. This is the first time I've tried this new version, and my Kia is often a test bed for new products I acquire. It should be noted that about 2 weeks ago I washed, Clayed, did a 1-step Polish with Wolfgang Uber Compound, then coated the car first with Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating. I then topped with CP Reload v2013.

This morning, I did a simple wipe on the roof with plain water and a towel, then after did a wipe with CP Eraser and one short nap MF Towel.

OK, on goes the Reload v2014, I deliberately sprayed the product liberally, about 4 sprays of product per each side of roof, just used 1 crummy old short nap MF Towel again to rub in, and smooth. Walked around to the other side, and did the exact same thing. I only flipped the towel once, never came behind with more towels, and made short work of the application, not obsessing over continually wiping.

All looked good under the Carport Canopy, but did then back the car out into the sun to check.

I see absolutely no smearing, streaking, no oily haze, film, etc, and did do a finger swipe test and examined the finish closely. The vehicle's color is a dark Magenta Pearl Metallic, a fairly darkish color.
The finish was dry to the touch right now, no oiliness at all, and the paint had a nice slick feel.

So, whatever your issue has been, it is possible something else is the issue, a previous product used perhaps, the particular paint on your vehicle, or perhaps a bad bottle of product? I just don't really know, especially as you say, this product was used in conjunction with CQ UK, all should've been just fine.

You noted no issues with the UK Application, correct? What Shampoo did you use prior to applying the Reload? Was any type of Shampoo etc used prior to Reload? Could this be the possible culprit with some sort of shine enhancers in it that is playing havoc?
Mark
 
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The only other thing that comes to my mind, is severe climate conditions effecting a product? Meaning if-was the product possibly shipped during either extreme heat or cold conditions?

Although I live in the southwestern section of the USA, where the southern portion of this country does not usually get extremely bitter cold during winter, I usually refrain from buying-having car care products shipped in the extreme high heat of summer, or the ice cold of winter.
Mark
 
OK Boys&Girls& Ivan, Here's a follow-up.

Just earlier I was out about town running a couple of quick errands.

After about 30 to 40 minute's time I examined the Roof again under bright Sunlight, the paint was almost too hot to the touch to keep your hand on the paint for 10 seconds. This is typical for here, in the New Mexico Southwest Desert.

Yes, then, I did notice some slight smearing on the paint, and when doing a finger swipe test it was appearing ever so slightly "Oily". I'm talking very very slight, but it is noticeable.

Now for me with this 14 year old car, a 2001 Kia Spectra, and my daily driver-beater-mobile, I'm not really that concerned. Now if it was a show-quality vehicle, or some other dark colored new-ish car, I might be more disliking seeing such occur.

Reasons for such I cannot of course accurately say what causes this, an ingredient in the product, or perhaps the product is of a such high concentration that maybe yes, a slight dilution with water might lessen or alleviate such a quality?

What I'm going to try in a little while since my car is back under the Carport Canopy and the paint is right now cool to the touch, I'm going to try an application of a good Detailer Spray, and see what the results are?

I'm also not sure if this slight smearing was also present with the older Reload Formula? I never tested for such, and have only used this product a couple of times also.

I will report back again with my findings, and I have two very decent Detailing Sprays I can test, Duragloss #521 Detailer Spray, and Pinnacle Crystal Mist Detailer. I'll try each on 1/2 of the Roof.

As for my thoughts-opinions about Carpro Reload, and how it should be used, I would imagine Reload was not designed or intended to be used as a Detailer Spray. While one could use this product for such, IMO such a product would be overkill to use after every wash.

I take it this product has two major purposes: One, to apply over CQuartz Coating to protect these Ceramic Coatings during initial cure time, to prevent any possibilities of water spot damage-etc.
And two, to refresh the CQuartz Coatings, and should be only periodically used maybe every 3-6 months.

I would assume due to the very good durability of Reload,and it's resistance to harsh cleaners-chemicals, that no Detailer Spray is going to come along and somehow compromise this product.

I'll take en educated guess that applying a Detailer Spray over either CQuartz or Reload won't necessarily harm them, but only maybe slightly change their Hydrophobic qualities, and that when one wants to again re-apply CQuartz or refresh with Reload, that the use of CP Eraser will remove these less durable products.
Mark
 
Again, a short update. Applied Duragloss Detailer to 1/2 of Roof, Pinnacle Crystal Mist on the other.

Back out into the Sun to examine, no change, still the same ever so slight oily-ness and slight smearing.

What causes this, I'm of course not the chemist at Carpro to further elaborate. It might be one sole product in Reload, which is the ingredient that provides protection while CQuartz goes through its curing phase?

What will eliminate this smearing? At this point I just don't know? Perhaps a wash at some future point in time afterward?

Perhaps Corey and others can further elaborate, or make further suggestions, or perhaps someone will conduct some further testing?
Mark
 
Hi Ivan, i think you are the same guy i answered on AG forum,

i wrote there what i think the reason for your problem, i think too thin spray cover,
need to spray well over the surface then 1 mf wiping it on , and second mf wipe it off, wiping off step very important, MF need to be soft and great cleaning ability as our BOA MF.

here is another video we did quickly few days ago to show how it done , under direct sun and hot surface even : sorry for the bad quality.

http://youtu.be/KWVIj9BeLBE
 
I know you were doing a TEST for our benefit, and over applied to prove the point....... but MAN THAT'S A LOT OF PRODUCT!!!!!
 
The first time I used 2014 it smeared, it's because I wasn't putting enough product on and applying it like the older version. After spraying more on, evenly, it came out just fine... however I'm certainly more than happy to use the older version I still have left before opening the 5 litres of 2014 I have.
 
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I know this is going to sound like "the fly in the ointment", "the monkey in the wrench" as Bruce Willis would say, and these frank comments might even get me banned from here................ Sorry folks, I am fair, but I am hard.

From what I've seen, and tested so far, Reload is not impressing me. I grossly over-applied it today, and this contradicts all of what many of you are saying, a lack of applying enough. Well, I surely applied enough without a doubt this morning.

Then came behind with more clean MF Towels, not crap either, and applied 2 different Detailer Sprays to try removing this slight oily film. No dice.

I'm 59 years old, I've might've been detailing when many here were still twinkles in their old man's eyes, and I have always kept what works, and chucked what doesn't.

And I'm concluding, somehow, this new Reload is NOT ready for prime time IMO, it lacks, it has shortcomings which just ain't cutting it, and I believe there's a improper formula which is causing such oily issues.

I conclude, "Do I really need Reload as a product"? I'm thinking no, I don't need it.

Whether there's some official "recall" or not on the product, I think I'm going to call Autogeek tomorrow, tell them I'm dissatisfied with this product, and ask for a call tag, and a total refund for 1 litre of Reload.

Those that aren't happy might wish to do the same.

I am concluding again, this product just is not cutting it as a topper over CQuartz. That Chemists again need to go back to the drawing board.

Sorry Corey, and all you folks, I'm not feeling 100% impressed with it.
Mark
 
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OK, I just watched this last recent vid posted. And no, I didn't go to that extreme extent to grossly over-apply the product to prove some point. That such is nothing but an over-waste of expensive product, and most of us don't have bottomless pockets, or free product walking through the door to waste.

But I did certainly apply quite enough for my test.

Now, what I'd like you gentlemen to try, is come back in 15 minutes, and try writing your name in the finish with your finger?

Like Ivan, this was what I seen, a slight oily smearing of product. Does this smearing finally dissipate-leave the finish? How long does it hang around? Not looking that easy to remove to me, when two different detailer sprays wouldn't budge this oily smearing.

I didn't see any smearing of the old formula, but much of it was applied to a white clear coat, and didn't really see any excess on brand new chrome wheels.
 
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I hope nobody's coming away from reading my writings, thinking like I have some guillotine for the folks at Carpro, quite the contrary.

Wish I found Carpro 2 years ago, as I would've saved many $100's of dollars on lesser products I bought, and 90% could actually see the trash can, or be given away after using some of Carpro's products, I like them that much!

Crazy as it may sound, I might try some real oddball experiments in the near future just for the heck of it.
Combining modern cutting edge Nano-Technology, with Old School. Has been done before by many with other products, so why not this?

How about topping CQuartz-UK, with Collinite #845? Or WGDGPS 3.0? Crazy yes, maybe I'll lose some inherit specific qualities of the Quartz Nano-Coating such as shrugging water and dirts, and a bit of Pearl-Like Beading.

Will such toppings really hurt-effect the protection, scratch resistance, and longevity of CQuartz? I'm sort of strongly doubting it.
 
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I used the new version today and found the hard way, that is not like the old version in term of applying less product. It needs lot of product. If durability is increase its great. But one of the key features of Reload that I like was, that very little product was use, and the excellent durability that it provided. Need to do more cars to learn more about this new version.
 
Andres Bravo said:
I used the new version today and found the hard way, that is not like the old version in term of applying less product. It needs lot of product. If durability is increase its great. But one of the key features of Reload that I like was, that very little product was use, and the excellent durability that it provided. Need to do more cars to learn more about this new version.
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Well I haven't used Reload yet as just had the wife's new Outback done with CQFinest about 2 weeks ago. I did get some of the New and Improved 2014 Reload so I can apply it every couple of months or so. From what I'm reading I'm not sure what's new and improved if you have to use allot more product then the older version. I guess I'll have to form my own opinion when I use it. Just hope that you don't have to apply the product as heavy as some are saying for the price you pay for it.
 
I think diluting the newer version might solve this... That way you get the same spread as you have more liquid with the product in it, yet you are using less product like the older version. I'm going to have to test my theory.
 
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I think diluting the newer version might solve this... That way you get the same spread as you have more liquid with the product in it, yet you are using less product like the older version. I'm going to have to test my theory.
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I am thinking the same thing. I diluted 1:1 and it help using the same technic of the old version. It help the streaks. Tomorrow will do more tests.


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