What steps for brand new SUV?

TheGBKid

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Hi everyone.

First post and will be a first time user of CQUK. I'm just curious what steps I need to take with a brand new vehicle (2015 Explorer Limited)? It has all of 22 miles on it and will probably have between 150-200 by the time I get to apply the coatings.

To my knowledge it has not been waxed. Do I still need to go through all of the prep steps? My original thoughts are to do a good wash and dry, then a full ERASE. Given that it should have a full factory finish and I can confirm it doesn't have any swirls/marks on it yet, can I just go straight to the CQUK application?

I don't want to screw this up so I'm relying on all of the experts here. Thanks in advance.

Gary
 
Hi everyone.

First post and will be a first time user of CQUK. I'm just curious what steps I need to take with a brand new vehicle (2015 Explorer Limited)? It has all of 22 miles on it and will probably have between 150-200 by the time I get to apply the coatings.

To my knowledge it has not been waxed. Do I still need to go through all of the prep steps? My original thoughts are to do a good wash and dry, then a full ERASE. Given that it should have a full factory finish and I can confirm it doesn't have any swirls/marks on it yet, can I just go straight to the CQUK application?

I don't want to screw this up so I'm relying on all of the experts here. Thanks in advance.

Gary

Hi Gary,

Although new, if your gonna do the CQUK, fine choice BTW, then I would. Deconing the paint and correcting is crucial for the success of the coating. As far as correcting, it depends on how picky you are about swirls and/or imperfections. Depending on your finish, a one step may be fine. Good lighting for spotting imperfections is key. You'll need that lighting when applying the coating anyway to catch high spots or smears. Once you apply the coating any imperfections in your finish will be underneath the coating.
The deconing will allow for the coating to adhere to your vehicle by removing the contaminants.
BTW...Welcome!


Here is a post I did with a fairly new Pathfinder and my steps...
http://carproforum.com/showthread.php?1137-2014-Nissan-Pathfinder-CQuartz-UK-coating
Steve
 
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Thanks for the great advice Steve!

Welcome Gary! Steve is right on - unfortunate even if the paint has never been swirled by the dealer and is in great shape it will have some amount of oxidation, and possible wax, sealant, road grime, etc that can reduce the ability of the coating to bond by up to 99.99%. In other words if the surface isn't perfectly clean you could get 2 weeks instead of over two years.

If it's in great shape and brand new and unmolested by the dealers then CarPro Reflect should be perfect for the polish step.
 
Thanks for the great advice Steve!

Welcome Gary! Steve is right on - unfortunate even if the paint has never been swirled by the dealer and is in great shape it will have some amount of oxidation, and possible wax, sealant, road grime, etc that can reduce the ability of the coating to bond by up to 99.99%. In other words if the surface isn't perfectly clean you could get 2 weeks instead of over two years.

If it's in great shape and brand new and unmolested by the dealers then CarPro Reflect should be perfect for the polish step.


Hmmmm, looks like I need to add to the order I just received this morning. Dammit. Thanks for the advice as I'd rather invest the time and $ only once, not repeatedly over the next 2 years.......
 
As it was expressed before (and my personal steps as well):

  1. Thorough wash + detailing of all the gaskets and crevices, bodylines etc..
  2. Chemical Decontamination (TarX and IronX), TarX to decon all the oily substances that may be on the paint and IronX to decon the ferrous bits
  3. Mechanical Decontamination w/ clay or clay alternative
  4. Thorough wash and dry
  5. Inspection
  6. Test Spots to establish the least aggressive method to correct the paint
  7. Polishing or compounding
  8. Chemical stripping of the oils (either just with Erasor or a combined Reset + Erasor, depending on the compound)
  9. Inspection
  10. Coating
  11. Baking(sun baking or IR lamps)
  12. Curing
  13. Reloading (see my reasoning for Reload (Link Here!)

Don't forget that the decontamination process may (or I should say will) create some marring, and in my opinion claying should ALWAYS be followed by a polishing step at the very least, especially if you are coating. It may not be as important if you are just using a sealant, especially one that has some filling capacity BUT..... I promise you will kick yourself if you fail to polish and lock those defects under your coating, since in order to remedy that mistake involves you compounding the paint (and many steps to just recoat)
 
Hmmmm, looks like I need to add to the order I just received this morning. Dammit. Thanks for the advice as I'd rather invest the time and $ only once, not repeatedly over the next 2 years.......

Absolutely! Do it right the first time and then enjoy the fruits of your success.

Claude, Dr. Pain, gave you the list of steps to follow.

Steve
 
Thanks for everyone's help as I just completed the application this morning. I have one dumb question:

How can I tell if it worked? It looks awesome, but I'm wondering how I can test it and when a test can be done? I'm a believer, but would also like to have a way to insure that I did it right.

Thanks again for the help of all the experts here add I wouldn't have done it properly without you.

Gary
 
Gary, please be patient, don't worry about testing it right now. I am quite confident it worked very well! Please don't "intentionally" get the vehicle wet for a few days, or longer. I personally don't "intentionally" get a vehice wet (or verify the hydrophic qualities of the coating) until I do the first maintenance wash at least 7-10 days after application. CarPro recommends; Keeping the surface dry for at least one hour after application, wiping any water off the surface during the first 24 hours after application, and to avoid washing with any soaps for the first 7 days. I don't know about you, but I prefer not to get my car wet if I can't wash it, and I certianly don't want to wipe the surface (especially without carwash soap, and proper wash media) if I can avoid it. When I do a coating I avoid getting the vehicle wet for as long as possible. If it doesn't get wet until I do the first maintenance wash at least a week later, I am VERY happy!! IMHO, the longer a coating can cure without seeing water, the better!
 
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Gary, please be patient, don't worry about testing it right now. I am quite confident it worked very well! Please don't "intentionally" get the vehicle wet for a few days, or longer. I personally don't "intentionally" get a vehice wet (or verify the hydrophic qualities of the coating) until I do the first maintenance wash at least 7-10 days after application. CarPro recommends; Keeping the surface dry for at least one hour after application, wiping any water off the surface during the first 24 hours after application, and to avoid washing with any soaps for the first 7 days. I don't know about you, but I prefer not to get my car wet if I can't wash it, and I certianly don't want to wipe the surface (especially without carwash soap, and proper wash media) if I can avoid it. When I do a coating I avoid getting the vehicle wet for as long as possible. If it doesn't get wet until I do the first maintenance wash at least a week later, I am VERY happy!! IMHO, the longer a coating can cure without seeing water, the better!

Trust me, I'm in no hurry, but there's always that part of me that wonders. ..... Just want to make sure in the event that I need to fix something. I have our second car waiting in the garage pending this outcome. Thanks for the quick reply.

Gary
 
Gary, please be patient, don't worry about testing it right now. I am quite confident it worked very well! Please don't "intentionally" get the vehicle wet for a few days, or longer. I personally don't "intentionally" get a vehice wet (or verify the hydrophic qualities of the coating) until I do the first maintenance wash at least 7-10 days after application. CarPro recommends; Keeping the surface dry for at least one hour after application, wiping any water off the surface during the first 24 hours after application, and to avoid washing with any soaps for the first 7 days. I don't know about you, but I prefer not to get my car wet if I can't wash it, and I certianly don't want to wipe the surface (especially without carwash soap, and proper wash media) if I can avoid it. When I do a coating I avoid getting the vehicle wet for as long as possible. If it doesn't get wet until I do the first maintenance wash at least a week later, I am VERY happy!! IMHO, the longer a coating can cure without seeing water, the better!

Tad is 100% on the money. I've been studying and researching coating technologies for a while and here are common facts that seem to transcend all current technologies

1) The matrix starts forming almost instantaneously on contact with the substrate (and in contact with O2, in SiO2 coatings). So unless you applied to a dirty oily surface, you will have your desired coating on the paint.
2) As the carriers start evaporating the matrix starts solidifying, and chemically bonding (weak ionic at first). During that period of time you can manipulate and re-stratifying the coating matrix (hence the reason we cross hatch to ensure complete coverage), but you can also remove it if you are too "rough" with trying to wipe off the carriers (or too liberal in your unceasing wiping). So a gentle hand after the prescribed cure/flash period is recommended. Should you be afraid that you may have done it wrong?? Trust me when I say that if you were too rough or had over manipulated that you would have micromarring everywhere. So no worries, your coating is there!
3) From its initial cure, the chemical bonding then goes through a "maturation" process which basically means that the chemical bonds go from simple ionic to a much stronger covalent bonds (as the solvents continue evaporating). This can take up to 30 days (depending on conditions). To accelerate the process and to facilitate the curing (and also to more thoroughly evaporate the solvents/carriers from the curing coating) we use IR baking. Do you need to IR cure? No! This can easily be replicated at home using the good ol' sun! Once you are done coating, pull the car in the sun and make sure the temp of the panels reach 150-170 degrees (for best results).
4) As the "maturation" process is allowed to occur the coating then becomes more resilient to chemical and mechanical forces. As Tad pointed out, it is Ok to wet the coating after the first 24-48 hrs (I prefer 48, even after IR curing), and it is Ok to use car "safe" chemical (ie. pH Neutral soaps) after 7-10 days..... but don't forget that maximum "strength" will be after the initial 30 days. Again, as Tad pointed out, the longer you can let the coating cure without exposure the better the result.

FYI You CAN drop de-ionized water on the coated surface right after the coating, to see if it works, but just know that you can leave an imprint if it is not wiped right away. If you use normal water, you run the realistic chance of having a water spot :( In any case, DO NOT use any pH based products or solvents for the prescribed period because those chemicals WILL disrupt the coating matrix. After 30 days you can expose the coating to pH to as low as 4 and as high at 12 (if memory serves me correctly)
 
This response was absolutely fantastic as it gave me the "science" behind how things worked. Fortunately, I have the truck sitting in the garage and has been for nearly 48 hours now and probably won't go out until Thursday. If it's raining, it won't go out until Sunday.

On another note, I have a Saltwater fish tank, so having Reverse Osmosis De-ionized water in ample supply is a necessity (has less than 1PPM impurity). So I'll be testing this and wiping immediately.

Now, I need to write my initial review of the CQUK to try to get in on the free MM giveaway!!!!!!


Thanks again.
 
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