CarPro Forte

[EVOlved]

Generally speaking that could certainly play a role in decisions for a company and the pros they work with but in this case that was not what controlled the outcome.

Cheers

I'm sure it has something to do with trying to enhance the brand name, as something the REAL pro's use. Which I understand and wish the best of luck to CP in all there ventures.

 

[zerix]

It is not Finest installers only but all CarPro detailers at this time. As for other markets in other countries there are very different situations from country to country so I can't speak on that and don't know the scope of the market they will offer it to there.

I'm quite saddened that you feel misled. One thing I can promise you (not that it makes you feel any better) is I will lose a lot more sleep than you will over this.

Best,
Corey

Misled may have been strong, but that's just how I feel. Here's a post from "CarPro-UK" over on detailingworld

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=4680470&postcount=4

Good morning.

Corey is the us distributor and as such he sets his perimiters. Who can purchase what product ect.

Here in the UK. We also set our own customer groups. Professionals will get early release to this product. While we do more tests to achieve the best way for home users to apply and the pitfalls of application based on uk weather.

This is a professional grade product.

Thanks.
Craig.
Carpro UK.

At least it sounds like it may trickle down to us normal customers eventually, who knows

 

[DARK HORSE]

I can assure everyone that Corey, as well as myself, and at least one other "well known" retailer whole-heartedly believed this product's "initial" release was to be to everyone (not just pros only)! As mentioned, there are many variables and issues that go on behind the scenes that must be considered when releasing any new product in any industry.
I can assure you if it were at all possible at this point in time, Corey WOULD release Forte to all (as this was most definitely his full intention)! It's turned out that it's just not possible right now (definitely no fault of Corey)! I've known him for many years, both personally and professionally, and I can assure you that this is something he doesn't take lightly! His customers both enthusiasts and pros matter the world to him! I spent 12 days living out of a hotel room with Corey (in a foreign country I might add) while doing two high end details, and I can tell you I've never seen anyone work SO hard to make SO many happy!! He would polish paint (and answer questions via texts) all day, then literally work all night answering questions and helping all who asked for it (many who weren't even his customers)! So I reiterate; if it were at all possible to release Forte to everyone right now, Corey WOULD!!

 

[DARK HORSE]

Misled may have been strong, but that's just how I feel.

Zerix, I'm very sorry you feel misled! You are a valued member of our community and I enjoy your posts and contributions very much, thank you! I can assure you that NO one at CarPro-US misled anyone intentionally.

At least it sounds like it may trickle down to us normal customers eventually, who knows

IMHO, I think this is very possible. I certainly hope so and hope very soon!

 

[TroyScherer]

I was one of the few that got FlyBy30 with very high hope and didn't have much success with it. So I was very excited to try / test Forte as it could be my CarPro fix for glass. (I am currently using Opti Glass).

At the same time I fully understand and support the Pro level coatings. It is building in the quality and product line needed to make it an ultra-premium line of product that Pro’s can market & sell separating themselves from the everyday “detailer”. I do acknowledge that most of us that frequent these forums have the skill, knowledge and ability to use these pro coatings. And while I wish there could be exceptions made for us, it doesn’t make sense due to all of the issue and liabilities it could create. Hopefully Avi will see our desire and listen to Corey and possibly re-consider.

So long live CarPro. Winter is coming and I need to seal my glass…

 

[fdresq4]

Good morning All,

I too was bummed to hear of this but I, as a DIY'er, understand.
With that being said, I DO APPRECIATE the fact that Corey and Tad posted the "bad news" on the forum. It's no secret as to what is going on with another company and recent changes. I had been a consumer of that brand, although I did have some C.P. during that time, and was totally disappointed with the lack of information when change occured. Unlike that company's owner, these guys at C.P. stood up and posted information and kept us apprised of what was going on. That speaks volumes of someone's character. It is easy to give good news but giving bad...
Thanks Guys!

Steve

 

[fdresq4]

Is the fear that Pros would lose sales due to Jonny Client trying to cheap-out and attempt it themselves? Just curious.

Optntdr,

Speaking for myself, as a DIY'er, it's not so much "trying to cheap-out" but I have taken a 25% pay cut over the last couple of years and my wife has not received a raise in 5 years. I try and do as much as I can whether it is detailing, correction, or Home projects. If I had the money then I would certainly have a "Pro" do a complete package.
I see you are from Maryland so you know how expensive it is to live in the Northeast...

 

[TXFIVEO]

Guess my earlier reply got "removed," nevertheless it is disappointing and misleading. Although unintentional I'm sure, miscommunication is most likely the culprit. Oh well, it happens, almost leaves a sour taste in your mouth like "that other company's" latest product change.

I'm with you Troy, left very unsatisfied with FlyBy30. Recently purchased it and applied it...no better than RainX from my experience, thus this is why I was looking to Forte. I guess "that other brand's" glass coating will be given a shot since the rug was pulled from under me with Forte.

I just reordered some more CQUK and some applicators. So I'm not a CarPro basher, my orders prove otherwise.

 

[DARK HORSE]

Guess my earlier reply got "removed," nevertheless it is disappointing and misleading. Although unintentional I'm sure, miscommunication is most likely the culprit. Oh well, it happens, almost leaves a sour taste in your mouth like "that other company's" latest product change.

I'm with you Troy, left very unsatisfied with FlyBy30. Recently purchased it and applied it...no better than RainX from my experience, thus this is why I was looking to Forte. I guess "that other brand's" glass coating will be given a shot since the rug was pulled from under me with Forte.

I just reordered some more CQUK and some applicators. So I'm not a CarPro basher, my orders prove otherwise.

I removed your earlier reply because it "appeared" to be unhelpful to the situation. I am sorry you feel as if the rug was pulled from under you, it was definitely not our intention. I can assure you this is nothing like "that other company's" latest product change. Thank you for your understanding!

 

[ChrisDA]

I think you guys are looking at it the wrong way. Think it more of a 'Beta test' that the pros are doing with the product first. Making sure that the product works and if improvements need to be made etc.

This is actually the way most companies do things. Think of videos games. Developers and people in the industry etc get the games first to 'test' them and then eventually later on a consumer version is released, sometimes even with a completely different product name.

 

[TXFIVEO]

I believe the product was already "beta tested" by numerous detainees. I'm sure Forte is a great product like the rest of the CarPro line. Like I previously stated, I have quite an extensive list of CarPro products in my arsenal..and I'm sure it will continue to grow. But to "wait" and see "IF" it will ever become available to the general masses and "WHEN" is a luxury most don't want to put up with. Myself included. So the research in Opti Glass, GTechiq, etc.

As many have stated, options is one of the best tools that we have. Hopefully this mistake can be learned from and not duplicated in the future by such a good company.

 

[series1]

It is a bit upsetting to hear this for sure. I'm surprised that it will be a pro only thing as it would be the only pro only windshield and glass coating (Edit: It has been brought to my attention that Optimum does offer a pro version of their Opti-Glass). Gtechniq, optimum, and 22ple (to name the popular ones in the U.S.) all have their glass coatings available to the public so I'm surprised Carpro would leave it to chance that people would stick with FlyBy30 and not try other longer lasting glass coatings.

Put me down as another plea/vote to make this available to the public. I understand I'll never get to try Finest and I'm perfectly okay with that and understand why. A windshield coating not being made available just doesn't make sense to me. Either way I'll still be ordering from Corey and Carpro-US, service is second to none. Best of luck Corey

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

It is a bit upsetting to hear this for sure. I'm surprised that it will be a pro only thing as it would be the only pro only windshield and glass coating. Gtechniq, optimum, and 22ple (to name the popular ones in the U.S.) all have their glass coatings available to the public so I'm surprised Carpro would leave it to chance that people would stick with FlyBy30 and not try other longer lasting glass coatings.

Put me down as another plea/vote to make this available to the public. I understand I'll never get to try Finest and I'm perfectly okay with that and understand why. A windshield coating not being made available just doesn't make sense to me. Either way I'll still be ordering from Corey and Carpro-US, service is second to none. Best of luck Corey

That's actually not true; Optimum does have Opti-Glass Pro which is stated to have much longer durability than their consumer product.

 

[series1]

That's actually not true; Optimum does have Opti-Glass Pro which is stated to have much longer durability than their consumer product.

Ahh yes you are correct thanks for catching that mistake I apologize. Even so, I'm still hoping Carpro eventually releases this to the public and doesen't go the way optimum seems to be going with exclusivity and price increases.

 

[Corey]

Ahh yes you are correct thanks for catching that mistake I apologize. Even so, I'm still hoping Carpro eventually releases this to the public and doesen't go the way optimum seems to be going with exclusivity and price increases.

I completely understand the concerns and value the feedback and opinions. Thank you!! Please know that CarPro has its own direction and prides itself on NOT following others. What they do is not related to other companies. I have gotten to know Avi of CarPro well and one of his main goals is to NOT charge more for a product just because he could. It is based on raw material costs, R&D costs, and the value it brings. A little story... There is one type of product that is a HUGE seller for many companies and for over a year (maybe 2) I have mentioned to Avi that people would love to purchase CarPro's version and idea of this product. Time after time his view was that he knows companies are making this type of product for pennies and he felt it was not right to charge the prices it is sold for and he had no interest. So, the example is meant to help anyone reading understand that unfair profit margins and marking things up are NOT in the model for CaPro. I could take case after case where products from CarPro are offered at lower cost than lesser products from this or that company. CQuartz UK and Dlux are the first that jump to mind as products that beat up on products costing much more from some companies.

 

[Corey]

Thank you so much to ALL of you for voicing your opinions and sharing your frustration with us here. I understand 100% where you are coming from and value your feelings. Thank you so much for your trust and support (to any that this statement applies to) and again my sincere apologies to all. We will share more information on Forte in the future. In the meantime we are working on some other VERY exciting things which we look forward to sharing soon!

 

[TXFIVEO]

I'm done with it...I've moved on...now ship my CQUARTZ UK!

 

[Mark]

I've enjoyed the thread, and personally am not weeping over something I never had.

With great interest-enthusiasm I watched the Zero Wiper Vid, and something like this super hydrophobic coating seems promising for the future of glass coatings, in that perhaps one day this technology will be further refined, and will pretty much obsolete all other coatings of present day.

That this technology might spread further as well, to paint and fabric coatings. Imagine, a future coating, tough as nails, and nothing sticks! Oils, Tars, Bird Droppings, and all other banes of us vehicle owners banished to the point that one maybe only needs to have a California Duster on hand?

This technology may not be too far off.

 

[ddvette9]

There is an old line that was wise beyond its years. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". The fact that a few of you are so upset that you wish to shame Corey and get an apology out of him is classles and extremely disappointing to myself and I'm sure many others on here.He is so unselfish and so accomodating that I would find it impossible to speak negatively about car pro or him, especially with something as trivial as a glass coating initially being designated for authorized pros only. He doesn't owe anyone an apology. If anything, all of us owe him a thank you every single day of the week. If this comment gets deleted then so be it, but hopefully some of the negative posters can read it before it does in hopes that they will apologize to Corey and thank him for all that he does. OK....I'm off my high horse . Hope everyone has a great weekend!

 

[Mark]

There is an old line that was wise beyond its years. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". The fact that a few of you are so upset that you wish to shame Corey and get an apology out of him is classles and extremely disappointing to myself and I'm sure many others on here.He is so unselfish and so accomodating that I would find it impossible to speak negatively about car pro or him, especially with something as trivial as a glass coating initially being designated for authorized pros only. He doesn't owe anyone an apology. If anything, all of us owe him a thank you every single day of the week. If this comment gets deleted then so be it, but hopefully some of the negative posters can read it before it does in hopes that they will apologize to Corey and thank him for all that he does. OK....I'm off my high horse . Hope everyone has a great weekend!

There's probably quite a few devout-dedicated Carpro Fans-followers here. Probably some similarities of being like devout fans-owners of such brands like McIntosh Labs Audio Equipment.

I too am beginning to fall into line myself, and hindsight has proven that I wish I myself had found Carpro goodies a good while back, I would've saved some good money in the long run.


Although quite diverse, I wouldn't expect Carpro the be the "end all-be all" of products on the market, cornering the market, and trying to outdo-superceed all players for every little niche product to come down the pike.

And I'm sure virtually all of us detailers, hobbyists, and professionals do not rely solely upon one product "brand" for car care needs.

I'm fairly aware, and fairly understand these consequences were beyond Corey's influence, and control.
As I understand it, Carpro is an Asian Sourced Company, and the Asians have a unique way of doing business.
Asian Manufacturers will often choose one Asian Distributor, and it is this Distributor who markets those products worldwide. All and everything goes through this sole entity, and "they" control the horizontal, and the vertical. Even to the point that they cut their own throats, they are commonly steadfast.

I say such, because this odd market strategy is done to control world market costs, and an influence of how valuable a certain product is assumed to be. They sometimes find out otherwise, and a backfire occurs. Stay tuned, cause minds often change their direction overnight when they finally recognize their so called market strategy is not making them the monies they'd like to be making.

I'll guess, and say, like many Asian brands-markets, the USA is probably the largest outlet for Carpro Brand, probably outselling all other markets combined. They've entrusted America to make money for them, but seemingly often take little worth of America's opinions, on how they should run their businesses.

(Perhaps it finally needs to be said, Asians evidently think Americans are stupid Assholes when it comes to business! And of course we are NOT!) But they won't listen. Hard headed. When figures later tally in, then there's a re-meet of the minds, or perhaps a better description is "no minds". Often the more a person gets paid, the less they know. That's a worldwide affliction.

I've seen such happen before, as for instance, the Home Audio Market.